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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723098" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723098">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey all -- meeting in ~3 minutes.</p>
<p>Today's agenda:</p>
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<li>Release retrospective</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723391" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723391">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2907">@T-release</span> meeting!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723430" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723430">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>only half, listening, not feeling great today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723540" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723540">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ok - let's get started</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723564" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723564">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not actually sure that too much went <em>wrong</em> this release, which seems positive</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723625" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723625">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> ran the release pretty smoothly from what I noticed at least :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723685" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723685">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah only had a bit of trouble with haunted CI for beta</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723700" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723700">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>but in general it's been way less painful than the previous ones</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723739" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723739">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>the -stable builder and the effort to backport beta patches to master seems to have worked :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723780" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723780">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think one thing that might be useful to discuss a little is release note drafting -- we're pretty regularly in a bit of a rush to get those landed and fixed up at the end of the cycle. I'm wondering if there's more we can do to automate/maintain a list of pending tasks/help out <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723791" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723791">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> do you have thoughts on this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723813" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723813">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>It was slightly concerning how no one was quite sure what exactly was being stabilised with the macros in built-in attributes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247723916" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247723916">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well the release notes for 1.55 are already up.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724007" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724007">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, release notes are usually <em>up</em> in plenty of time, it's more the long tail of fixes/comments that I'm not quite sure we're managing so well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724025" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724025">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>(In particular I'm usually feeling pretty uncertain about the compat notes, for example)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724256" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724256">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well earlier reviews are definitely appreciated, it does feel like that stuff comes pretty late sometimes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724353" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724353">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hm. I know I saw a comment on reddit on some of the reviews not being addressed -- I wonder if we should maintain a dedicated list of pending things to include that's less "github comments" and more checkboxes or something?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724378" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724378">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know I'm never too sure if I need to be re-pinging you or what the state is on things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724491" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724491">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>didn't we enable some fancy beta GitHub stuff for that?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724493" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724493">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Like I also wonder how much we should we keep it open throughout the release, and if it would be better to merge the big PR sooner, and follow it up with smaller PRs. That might make it harder to backport (? Not sure)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724559" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724559">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Backporting we do by just grabbing the file (not individual commits), or at least, that's what I do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724564" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724564">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think many small PRs might be a good idea.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724606" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724606">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> Do you have an example, I don’t remember any comments being unaddressed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724639" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724639">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the reddit user was noting that we missed 1.54 adding noalias</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724678" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724678">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/86696#issuecomment-875530097">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/86696#issuecomment-875530097</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724818" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724818">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>incremental compilation was also missed, but I'm not sure anyone commented on that in the pr</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247724915" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247724915">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think both of these may not have had proper milestone labels, from the weird way they "landed"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725007" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725007">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. the "new" thing was <em>inaction</em>, that we didn't turn them off in this release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725085" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725085">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, maybe</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725111">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I guess that speaks to only disabling on beta being a bad thing...?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725164" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725164">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>or we need some other way to track such things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725193" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725193">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I remember not adding immediately because we had pulled it out before, and must have forgotten to put it in before the end.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725389" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725389">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725412" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725412">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, seems like we can try merging immediately for the 1.55 cycle at least</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725423" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725423">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or well, much faster)</p>



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<p>and see what effect that has</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725469" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725469">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>SGTM</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725653" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725653">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725665">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-topic on release notes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725667" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725667">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725842" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725842">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>alright</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725868" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725868">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-topic on retrospective (I'm not sure there's anything else for this cycle)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725871" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725871">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725959" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725959">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-meeting then?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725960" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725960">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to bring up?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if you're ready to end the meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247725965" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247725965">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>:)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726147">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>alright</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726153" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726153">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks everyone!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726158" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726158">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh sorry</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726165" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726165">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726185" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726185">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, go ahead then :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726279" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726279">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>We’ll have to take it private, as it’s bit sensitive so one moment while I group DM you all.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726303" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726303">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="thumbs up" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="thumbs up">:thumbs_up:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726311">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> , I saw up above you touched on release notes topics</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726366" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726366">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wanted to ask: What are your thoughts about how/whether to keep RELEASES.md and the blog post in sync?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726482" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726482">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or ensuring that RELEASES.md contains a super-set of info that is on blog post, I guess…)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726595" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726595">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> What would happen in your mind when they’re not in sync?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726700" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726700">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, the only real issue is that some users get surprised. E.g. carol10cents just posted on the incr-comp bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726749" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726749">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>because carol had only looked at RELEASES.md, not the blog post</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726802" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726802">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I can understand the thinking, that RELEASES.md is a useful central point of info about the changes over time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247726881" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247726881">(Jul 30 2021 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Will get back to you after our private discussion ends</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247728754" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247728754">(Jul 30 2021 at 16:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> Sure, I’m more trying to imagine what the solution would look like. Like it’s not as simple as link checking since the blog post could link to more material than the release notes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247728768" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247728768">(Jul 30 2021 at 16:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> Yeah, I think in general we want this to be true. We can edit blog post until the last minute, but release notes have (at least) a few hours of latency before we can edit them as they need to go through bors.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247728819" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247728819">(Jul 30 2021 at 16:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would definitely not object to a PR updating 1.54 to include incr and noalias being enabled</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247729366" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247729366">(Jul 30 2021 at 16:17)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="219696">XAMPPRocky</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030/near/247726279">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>We’ll have to take it private, as it’s bit sensitive so one moment while I group DM you all.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>what would it take for us to get a <code>t-release/private</code> stream?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247729546" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247729546">(Jul 30 2021 at 16:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can set it up (we just haven't needed it yet).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247730125" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247730125">(Jul 30 2021 at 16:23)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="219696">XAMPPRocky</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030/near/247728754">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> Sure, I’m more trying to imagine what the solution would look like. Like it’s not as simple as link checking since the blog post could link to more material than the release notes.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Right. The options I can imagine are: (1.) playbook for writing release updates, that specifically points out one should (at minimum) update RELEASES.md, and after that consider whether section in blog post is also warranted. (Such a playbook might already exist for all I know), (2.) link checking is an interesting idea, but you’re right that its probably not quite right.  But some kind of consistency check between the two could be interesting; e.g. maybe for every section of release blog post, there should exist at least one sentence in the section that corresponds to a RELEASES.md entry? (Do some kind of fuzzy matching of the words to allow for slight deviations.) That may be a bit extreme, I admit.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247730317" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247730317">(Jul 30 2021 at 16:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would generally consider the blog post to be temporally pinpointed, receiving only minor fixes, while RELEASES.md is the living document</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247730539" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247730539">(Jul 30 2021 at 16:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think there's no need for a technical measure to control this -- but yeah, I agree with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="138448">@cuviper</span> that the blog is a snapshot and release notes are the living version.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247732156" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247732156">(Jul 30 2021 at 16:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay, so we can just update RELEASES.md as necessary to reflect the points that we realize matter, even after the release comes out. That seems fine to me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247752148" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247752148">(Jul 30 2021 at 19:34)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="219696">XAMPPRocky</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030/near/247723813">said</a>:</p>
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<p>It was slightly concerning how no one was quite sure what exactly was being stabilised with the macros in built-in attributes</p>
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<p>is there a way I could have explained it better? It did seem like people understood the main idea, they were just not sure about some of the technical details, which I wouldn't expect to be called out in the release notes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247752376" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247752376">(Jul 30 2021 at 19:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>also there weren't questions about it until very late, so I didn't have much time to respond</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202021%2007%2030/near/247795541" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202021.2007.2030.html#247795541">(Jul 31 2021 at 09:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="232545">@Joshua Nelson</span> I don't know if there's a solution, it's just one little nit right now, I brought up so that if it happens again with other features in the project, we might have a problem at that point.</p>



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